Comments on: Enviro-Fascism http://blog.kingsdivinity.org/2007/05/enviro-fascism/ (formerly Midlands Bible College blog). Comment and blogs by King's faculty. Mon, 23 Jan 2012 12:55:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Antiochean http://blog.kingsdivinity.org/2007/05/enviro-fascism/comment-page-1/#comment-216 Antiochean Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:16:12 +0000 http://collegeblog.midbible.ac.uk/enviro-fascism/#comment-216 Calvin, I think you have put your finger on a major problem for contemporary Christians. As you have been saying over the past few years, Christians must get a solid biblical understanding of the present environmental deliberations and get debating (even if that debate seems to be unacceptable to the political and academic classes). Calvin,
I think you have put your finger on a major problem for contemporary Christians. As you have been saying over the past few years, Christians must get a solid biblical understanding of the present environmental deliberations and get debating (even if that debate seems to be unacceptable to the political and academic classes).

]]> By: Calvin Smith http://blog.kingsdivinity.org/2007/05/enviro-fascism/comment-page-1/#comment-214 Calvin Smith Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:37:00 +0000 http://collegeblog.midbible.ac.uk/enviro-fascism/#comment-214 Read this article then watch the documentary. Not only have some of these things happened before, but I can't help but think the Great Lie is now on the other side... at least there is a growing groundswell of opinion by some who are beginning to wonder... http://collegeblog.midbible.ac.uk/the-emperor-has-no-clothes/ Read this article then watch the documentary. Not only have some of these things happened before, but I can’t help but think the Great Lie is now on the other side… at least there is a growing groundswell of opinion by some who are beginning to wonder… http://collegeblog.midbible.ac.uk/the-emperor-has-no-clothes/

]]> By: Peter http://blog.kingsdivinity.org/2007/05/enviro-fascism/comment-page-1/#comment-213 Peter Wed, 06 Jun 2007 01:11:25 +0000 http://collegeblog.midbible.ac.uk/enviro-fascism/#comment-213 I can't be sure about much. However, here are a couple of examples of situations I can be pretty sure about. One is recent and the other taking place as we exchange thoughts with each other. The east coast cod fishery of Canada is no more; a great source of renewable protein is gone. It appears that there are several reasons for this disappearance. Overfishing by the seagoing nations of the world, destruction of fish habitat, reduction in seal hunting and now global warming are all cited as possible contributers. Scientists and others warned that what has happened to the fishery was possible. Of course, not all scientists agreed, so debate and discussion, the need for more research, the distress of fishers and workers in dependent industries, the inability of national governments to control international fishing fleets all contributed to no effective action being taken. This is what I see happening on a global scale now. We lost a fishery; let's not lose what makes our planet habitable. The forests of Canada provide the raw material from which are made building materials, paper and other products. They also constitute a significant carbon sink-hole. These forests are presently being destroyed by a beetle which formerly was controlled by cold weather. This is a kind of modern plague, and we have no acceptable means of stopping it. What global warming is doing to Canadian forests will probably happen in some way to other natural features of our planet. Scientists may not be able to prove this but it would be prudent for us to do everything we reasonably can to prevent world temperatures from rising. Do you remember the foofarah over tobacco use? The leaders of big tobacco nearly all lied about what they knew about the adverse results of smoking. Part of their plan was to discredit the research and the scientists who examined the effects of tobacco use. Today we see a similar campaign against research into environmental problems. Peter PS 1. Thank you for correcting my misunderstanding of scripture. 2. I read your previous article. I can’t be sure about much. However, here are a couple of examples of situations I can be pretty sure about. One is recent and the other taking place as we exchange thoughts with each other.

The east coast cod fishery of Canada is no more; a great source of renewable protein is gone. It appears that there are several reasons for this disappearance. Overfishing by the seagoing nations of the world, destruction of fish habitat, reduction in seal hunting and now global warming are all cited as possible contributers. Scientists and others warned that what has happened to the fishery was possible. Of course, not all scientists agreed, so debate and discussion, the need for more research, the distress of fishers and workers in dependent industries, the inability of national governments to control international fishing fleets all contributed to no effective action being taken. This is what I see happening on a global scale now. We lost a fishery; let’s not lose what makes our planet habitable.

The forests of Canada provide the raw material from which are made building materials, paper and other products. They also constitute a significant carbon sink-hole. These forests are presently being destroyed by a beetle which formerly was controlled by cold weather. This is a kind of modern plague, and we have no acceptable means of stopping it. What global warming is doing to Canadian forests will probably happen in some way to other natural features of our planet. Scientists may not be able to prove this but it would be prudent for us to do everything we reasonably can to prevent world temperatures from rising.

Do you remember the foofarah over tobacco use? The leaders of big tobacco nearly all lied about what they knew about the adverse results of smoking. Part of their plan was to discredit the research and the scientists who examined the effects of tobacco use. Today we see a similar campaign against research into environmental problems.

Peter

PS 1. Thank you for correcting my misunderstanding of scripture.
2. I read your previous article.

]]> By: Calvin Smith http://blog.kingsdivinity.org/2007/05/enviro-fascism/comment-page-1/#comment-208 Calvin Smith Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:49:15 +0000 http://collegeblog.midbible.ac.uk/enviro-fascism/#comment-208 But how can you be sure of what is happening, Peter? The Great Global Warming Swindle documentary highlighted some of the flawed science which makes people dubious about some of the more wild and extreme claims. For this reason, we need to be allowed to debate the issue. My reason for drawing attention to the post is that in some quarters even debate is not permitted. That sounds like medieval Catholicism, doesn't it, where even to question leads to being ostracised as a heretic. BTW, Rev 7:3 relates to the last judgment by God and is not a call for humanity to guard the earth. I think a more apt passage is Gen 1:26ff, which relates to stewardship. I discuss it here: http://collegeblog.midbible.ac.uk/how-green-should-evangelicals-be/ But how can you be sure of what is happening, Peter? The Great Global Warming Swindle documentary highlighted some of the flawed science which makes people dubious about some of the more wild and extreme claims. For this reason, we need to be allowed to debate the issue. My reason for drawing attention to the post is that in some quarters even debate is not permitted. That sounds like medieval Catholicism, doesn’t it, where even to question leads to being ostracised as a heretic.

BTW, Rev 7:3 relates to the last judgment by God and is not a call for humanity to guard the earth. I think a more apt passage is Gen 1:26ff, which relates to stewardship. I discuss it here: http://collegeblog.midbible.ac.uk/how-green-should-evangelicals-be/

]]> By: Peter http://blog.kingsdivinity.org/2007/05/enviro-fascism/comment-page-1/#comment-207 Peter Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:39:28 +0000 http://collegeblog.midbible.ac.uk/enviro-fascism/#comment-207 Hello Calvin, I agree that all too often we are fooled by governments, commercial interests or crazies into believing and/or acting on matters trumped up and spread for whatever reasons. Global warming and climate change are different in my view. The destructive power and irresponsible conduct of mankind has become so awesome that the world may be close to a genuine crisis. If people want to debate the matter, let them go ahead. In the meantime, I want my governments and those of other nations, provinces and states to legislate against dangerous environmental practices and encourage healthy ones. I think Revelation 7:3 supports my position. Sincerely, Peter Hello Calvin, I agree that all too often we are fooled by governments, commercial interests or crazies into believing and/or acting on matters trumped up and spread for whatever reasons. Global warming and climate change are different in my view.

The destructive power and irresponsible conduct of mankind has become so awesome that the world may be close to a genuine crisis. If people want to debate the matter, let them go ahead. In the meantime, I want my governments and those of other nations, provinces and states to legislate against dangerous environmental practices and encourage healthy ones. I think Revelation 7:3 supports my position.

Sincerely, Peter

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